Oct. 11th, 2009

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My first post on atheist fail
And to think it was less than a year ago that I first ventured there to challenge [profile] vox_diabolica 's wilful misunderstanding of the term 'analogy'. This naive venture also led to my being told that the book of "Job" is not about the problem of evil because that's only ever posed by atheists (and apparently this link doesn't say otherwise) and Nietzsche never called Christianity nihilistic (I do not appear to be the first person to have claimed this).

My first congratulations from the atheist fail regulars

Since then my first post on Pat Condell led to the a number of squees within [livejournal.com profile] atheist_fail. For example:
"Holy shi-. Did [info]fatpie24's identity get high-jacked, cause that OP is win."

I'm especially impressed since it was only the previous month that I had been the butt of an atheist_fail headline:
He's Such A Charmer
My crime? Deleting Vox Diabolica's unambiguous insults. What did he find so offensive that he resorted to calling me names straight off the bat? Well, I guess he just doesn't like the Pharyngula blog very much...

My most recent congratulations from the atheist fail regulars
Ah, so to bring this bang up to date. There's been a slightly less direct recognition of my contributions. The only person who had a serious issue with my latest Pat Condell rant apparently went to [livejournal.com profile] antitheism to bitch about me. The [livejournal.com profile] atheist_fail readers saw the bitching, but don't appear to have recognised the origin. I will enlighten you all here.

Here's what [livejournal.com profile] marcimojo wrote in [livejournal.com profile] antitheism :
Wow.
I just learned that being an antitheist is the same thing as being a bigot. As a matter of fact, the word "antitheist" can be freely interchanged with the word "bigot" or even the word "racist" if you want. I was informed of this by someone who is an atheist.

I don't understand. Can I not hold the position that theism hasn't gotten very good results with what it hoped to accomplish and just leave it at that? Must I be a bigot as well? Is criticising an organisation the same thing as discriminating against its memebers?

I have also been informed that one can no longer refer to organised religions as organisations. It's not PC.
Now, I'd actually happily label myself as an anti-theist. I don't just disbelieve in a God, but I also think that believing in a God is counter-productive for spirituality. That said, I'm not about to stop other people from believing in God, nor am I inclined to view belief in God as the principle cause of troubles in the world.

Anyway without any further ado, here is where the claim that I equated antitheism with bigot comes from:
"Can you criticise a child for sharing the beliefs of their parents when they are not forcing those beliefs upon others?"

Oh no, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is in the streets yelling abuse at small Muslim children? When did that happen? Oh wait. It didn't happen. You're just trying to say that ALL anti-theists hold a child's religion against the child, therefore anti-theism is as bigoted as racism.
*slapface*

As for the whole issue of whether religions are organisations, apparently if someone belongs to a certain group out of choice it is impossible to be bigoted against them. This seems to run along the lines of the whole right-wing "gay lifestyle" argument. If you can only demonstrate that something is a matter of choice that leaves you free to undermine them as much as you like. *Ugh!*

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